What type of application is that, in your opinion? The most recent one was published in November 2020. What is wrong with Qt? It's free to sign up and bid on jobs. Are enterprises using C++? But the rest of the code (widget event handling, business logic, etc.) The thing is that the supplied VCL is what is so amazing. A pity that the free Turbo Delphi Explorer version was discontinued. : Borland -> Inprise -> CodeGear -> Embarcadero. Nimrod is great. I would charge that lack of diversity is not a sign of a healthy software development community. As a PHP developer I wonder why I never tried that "Delphi for PHP". ;). There are dedicated reference-counted string types, and also null-terminated strings. Delphi's compilers generate native code for Microsoft Windows, macOS, iOS, Android and Linux (x64).[4][5][6]. For example, C++Builder 6 and later can combine source code from Delphi and C++ in one project, while packages compiled with C++Builder can be used from within Delphi. I think I reported about two dozen compiler or C/C++ library bugs. And why should it? In my opinion Delphi is better than .Net as it's a native language but the RAD software is expensive and I like Visual Studio better. I'm reminded of this rather amusing comment on a forum: "My colleague told me to abandon Delphi, it's obsolete, Silverlight is the future. The end result was, and is, terrible, and the sheer awkwardness of C++Builder was not really a matter of design or implementation, but due to the nature of C++ itself. http://screamingduck.com/Article.php?ArticleID=43&Show=ABCE. Its power comes from the tight GUI design/language integration, the brilliance of which is still unmatched by tools like Interface Builer; but the language — even with features like generics — hasn't been able to keep up. > It's reality when compared against what it is designed to replace. The data aware components were a life saver, and to this day programming in a wide range of languages I am constantly reminded how painful doing things that were simple 20 years ago is. Message handlers are implemented by tagging a method of a class with the integer constant of the message to handle. > new languages/platforms and especially modern program design paradigms with their multiple tiers & supporting libraries, multiple levels of indirection resulting in 30 level deep call stacks, etc results in productivity perhaps 1/4 of what you could achieve with a product like Delphi. Yes, his leaving was bad for Delphi, though good for him financially. Given how Germany is following USA footsteps of outsourcing and offshoring everything in Fortune 1000, maybe there are some opportunities. I was in deep at that point. This is why kids these days jump into web development, they aren't aware how good tooling we already had back then. We haven't upgraded our licenses since the versions since XE3 didn't bring anything for us, but if we want to see Delphi survive then perhaps we should be chucking some money Embarcadero's way! I loved those old terminal/DOS apps. still had to written in a text editor by the developer. Luckly Go, Rust, D and now .NET Native might make younger generations aware of it. Borland tools were always great, but this was the era of mighty MS. C++ Builder made C++ on Windows so much more accessible than MS Visual Studio 4 + MFC at the time. What I learned during that year STILL comes back from time to time in my current development projects. I spent the first years of my non-school life developing things in Delphi, including CGI binaries in the end. Clang takes at least a minute or two even at -j40... Oberon-F on classic Mac OS was really productive, and I imagine its descendant, BlackBox Component Pascal on Windows is so as well: one of the great features was the ability to extend the IDE while running it: you could compile an extension and test it in seconds. The grandparent is a consultant, how many of this niche is hiring consultants? Delphi's own documentation, once you're past the marketing naming on the box, makes it clear that the language is object pascal. Delphi is a mature product, having been around for more than 20 years, yet it is still being actively developed with … Now suddenly they are unicode strings are far less reliable for unicode. Qt is like VCL and it can be used within VS or without it. [32], RAD Studio is both the formal name for the IDE and a product suite that contains both Delphi and C++Builder. I sometimes wonder what Delphi would look like today, had Anders not joined the MS fold. I think part of the question being asked here is "how do these help application development" ? Assuming C++ and UI development of course. And guess what, O n-squared complexity is still a killer when n gets large. Although Delphi still has an active user base, not many new Delphi programmers are popping up, which raises the question of eventual extinction. 3. But it is a joy to use, cross-platform and at least on the desktop it is free to use if you don't mind LGPL and shipping DLLs/so with your app. E.g. I wish Microsoft would make their C++ environment work like that. They are developing from different directions, Rust being more idealistic and Haxe being more pragmatic, but I think they'll grow aspects of the other over time. Good times :). I had already tried different languages by that time. If you want correct UTF-8 behaviour in string functions then instead of using libc or string_ functions, you must pass the character set as an additional parameter to specialised mb_ string functions instead. E.g. I've worked on some projects of that type earlier. Last time people were bandying about Go compilation speeds on HN, and actually posted. Now I know. Delphi 3 introduced me to programming in my teen years. Yet, with Visual Basic, there was always this bloated feeling.. Apparently, the guy who did Delphi, got hired at Microsoft. I never liked C, because I already knew a few Turbo Pascal versions before getting to learn C. So the language was always meh for me, but then Borland blew it up with their schizophrenics moves and allowed C and C++ usage to grow in the PC world. I feel like Delphi has made a recent exciting comeback to relevance. I just took another look and it compiles applications for Windows, OS X, Android, and iOS. I only wrote it as a hobby as a teenager but compared to trying to write Visual Basic or C or Java on Windows it was a real dream. Why? Download RAD Studio Feature Matrix . I was a Turbo Pascal user since version 3.0 all the way up to the first versions of Delphi. I don't know, but it is an interesting question. Upgrading the codebase was a sizeable effort for sure, but in my view it was less than it would have been had it been developed on another platform. The native binaries nature of Delphi has meant there is no such equivalent (that I'm aware of), although I'm considering leveraging Nuget's packaging format and tools for BPLs. Sure, with VC6, you could do More Stuff, and theoretically, it would be Better Stuff. Interface implementations can be delegated to fields or properties of classes. Finally, FreePascal and GNU Pascal are ongoing open source projects, providing versions of Pascal freely available to the public. Actually, Delphi/ObjectPascal's compilation speed comes mainly from being a one-pass compiler. 1. Delphi was one of the greatest development environment ever created when you just "needed to get shit done". Lazarus as being FPC + libraries is great, but the IDE is still really bad in my opinion. ... Nope. The difference between Delphi and C++ back then felt a lot like Rails versus, say, J2EE. Which C++ compiler compiles itself in under 30 seconds on a typical desktop? It isn't sexy but do the job very well for most corporate applications. I can't say how much I loved the language and the IDE. I think Embarcadero is seriously hurting themselves with their bunker mentality. talk about python and unicode management... Binary data in strings? (Change a function -> update it in the live running environment -> test ...). Technologies are forever." It was incredibly easy to develop stuff. :D. Delphi takes it to a ridiculous level though. Can you describe what things Xcode lacks that you miss from Delphi? There aren't very many consulting jobs for it. I could manage with their help pages and examples quite well. Not worth it. joj vidjao sam ti ovaj nick na krstarici jbt :). For game projects I prefer Haxe. User account menu. I think Delphi got right the "Visual Programming" paradigm. I mostly do web development, but every once in a while I go back in to build a feature on the Delphi side of the fence. Right now, most of site has reopened, only the stadium is closed to public. Archived. This is the subreddit for ~~Borland~~ ~~Codegear~~ Embarcadero Delphi and related … Press J to jump to the feed. At the time of release its features were quite innovative, and very accessible to the Turbo Pascal programmers (like me!) Thats exactly my plan, to learn some basics then further improve skills on minor contracting jobs I get and I feel comfortable to do them in new language. I loved Delphi back in 1997. Would you use it for a web-based app? But who knows what will happen, there have been so many changes of direction ... C++/CX + XAML is maybe the closest it gets nowadays. This is spot-on. I was bemused that this was a new idea to the Delphi world. At this symposium one of the talks was on dependency injection. So I took that .EXE file to another computer and ran it, and it ran. The above link says that Embarcadero has Linux support (via cross-compiling for Linux, on Windows) on their roadmap. My employer has a multi-million line codebase in Delphi which is still under active development. 15.7k 7 7 gold badges 48 48 silver badges 76 76 bronze badges. But now I work in Objective C. Xcode is much better IDE (Delphi is 32 bit, and crashes often with big projects). I've used various Delphi versions, a little, for personal projects [1], off on on, and liked it. Tables will automatically start showing it, forms will magically contain the new field. Perhaps is that multi-user RDBMS with SQL and/or the Web broke the model. Since I rediscovered dynamic languages in the early 2000s and haven't (except for some experiments in C) looked back. In ref to the blog post (or whatever it is) I thought Delphi was no more. In the beginning the site was sacred to Mother Earth and was guarded by the terrible serpent Python, who was later killed by Apollo. Maybe it's faster now? Lead to some bad habits though - e.g. Also it has ridiculous price. asked Jun 8 '12 at 22:53. The first time I used VB/C++ I thought the IDE had crashed because it took so long to build... More like a 17 year old too lazy to learn proper debugging, but yes - it works and I'm not surprised its got an official name. History. Borland tried it. Underneath it only needs x86 and win32 (unless you're building for mac, android or iOS, which it also supports). This is due to so many banks/utilities/etc betting the farm on older Java. Does anyone use it? It just wasn't a good idea. Sure, the IDE misses a few features that competing IDE's have, but on the plus side it compiles ridiculously fast (a full build of 2 million lines takes less than a minute on a single core). back in the day. Pass the source code and rights over to use and we'll work out an arrangement to continue development whilst maintaining a royalty stream for you". And then I found Delphi 6. For all the bad things I've said about it ... it is nice. The Microsoft equivalent to VCL is MFC, but I don't think that's a very current skill to have. Not the OP, but I wanted to chime in that I think Delphi's forte is, was and will always be desktop-based GUI apps. With class helpers new functionality can be introduced to core RTL and VCL classes without changing the original source code of the RTL or VCL. The closest thing I've found since then that allows me to do something similar minus the IDE is BlitzMax, but the IDE was what made the process so silky smooth in Delphi, and I miss it. I just make the layout, then program what each button does, etc.. And it was simple. Objects are actually references to the objects (as in Java), which Delphi implicitly de-references, so there is usually no need to manually allocate memory for pointers to objects or use similar techniques that some other languages need. For future large scale projects. Things like a ";" at the end of every statment actually makes code more readable to me. Maybe it deserves to die, or not, but I get a kick out of the fact that it is still around and sparking discussion. It needed not a lot of knowledge to make buttons and forms, etc. "Since the code is native, performance is never a problem even with wildly inefficient code.". In the suit Borland alleged that Microsoft had hired 34 Borland employees over the past 30 months in order to steal Borland trade secrets.". share | improve this question | follow | edited Aug 17 '17 at 15:56. It is primarily used to build applications for Windows systems but can be used to build applications for a variety of operating systems. The Delphi Technique is a method used to estimate the likelihood and outcome of future events. I completely identify with this poster. It's pretty telling when a vendor isn't even able to get many of it's own supporters (many of which are these "Delphi will never die" types) to buy new version of their software in over a decade. who were a big part of Borland's customer base for tools. Wirth knows how to design efficient languages and systems, and his students (most of the founders of Oberon microsystems, the developers of BlackBox, were such) carry on the tradition. It may be nostalgia, but I don't htink it's only nostalgia. Easy enough for a kid to do stuff with it. They worry that Delphi is obsolete, only used on legacy systems. I use CB2007. At runtime, mind you, you don't even need a recompile in most cases. Admittedly, I haven't touched it since the early 2000s, but I can't imagine that it could compete as a language/platform for anything else these days. Delphi Technique Definition: The Delphi Technique refers to the systematic forecasting method used to gather opinions of the panel of experts on the problem being encountered, through the questionnaires, often sent through mail. Lack of built-in multicast delegates for event handlers. With one recompile, the same app runs on android, ios. Third-party libraries typically need updates from the vendor but, if source code is supplied, recompilation with the newer version may be sufficient. I was amazed the VCL managed to insulate the user from most of it. I keep hoping some startup sees the huge arbitrage opportunity that is sitting there. But we did love the fast develop/compile/run cycle that Delphi provided, Delphi's OO was great at the time, and the apps worked. Re #1, Castalia is very slow fews years ago I tried, it's the ModelMaker Code Explorer that adds a lot of productivity to the IDE, including refactoring, and so on. I recall buying the Delphi IDE way back in the day; possibly when I was still at university, definitely when Borland was still around! I'd say Java 1.2 is the new COBOL. Care to elaborate? >I found it a fast and easy tool for making and tweaking the UI. If i were his wife, and he rejected the offer, I would be. I prefer Delphi 6. Out of nostalgia I checked out Lazarus and I'm glad it has a somewhat thriving community. And of course the object is depreciated.. There's so much ceremony around anonymous methods that it hardly seems worth it some times. The worst thing, though, was registering to get a trial from Embarcadero who then had an elaborate follow-up process including phone calls from them. [1] http://kk.org/thetechnium/2006/02/immortal-techno/. Delphi vs. prediction markets. It may not be trendy but it's a really quality environment for its use case. file delphi delphi-2009 file-in-use. What are his chances of having steady (consulting) work using Qt? Database connectivity is extensively supported through VCL database-aware and database access components. It didn't need any other files. In my eyes it was a huge winner for Delphi over Visual Studio products, although I never really liked the pascal syntax... Delphi/Pascal and Wolfram mathematica are the two things I point people to when we talk about documentation. 2. mod. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCSD_Pascal. I have developed Delphi applications for almost 10 years, and I still use it (only to support some bugs in old applications, but I never use Delphi in new projects). The quality of the IDE is incredibly dire compared to Visual Studio+Resharper or Jetbrains IntelliJ. I really really liked Borland products. It's also designed to compile fast and to native code. If you want to compile static Linux binaries, Musl libc is your best bet. 3. Trevor Trevor. I agree with most of your sentiments, but no new books and no new frameworks isn't completely true. Borland Enterprise Studio, a precursor to RAD Studio, is a software development suite that includes support for multiple languages. I will certainly take a look at Qt, and other alternatives, but isn't Visual Studio the ultimate tool of all tools? Well, they make them worse. And so, much like the mainframes running in the data centers of banks/insurance/etc companies, delphi is probably still driving a fair number of business logic applications. I mean, you had to make an installer for your programs with files like VBRUNXXX.DLL and error messages yelling at you, and depending 16bits or 32bits, VB4 or VB6, so ... it's even fuzzy in my head. I pick up Lazarus ever so often because I loved Delphi (it was my competitive edge; everyone was doing VC++ and I ate their lunches. One path is to identify a future customer pain point that will occur if they continue to use Delphi. The linking is much less complicated, too. The current language is based on Object Pascal, which is quite different from being Object Pascal, which was quite different back in the Turbo Pascal and early Delphi days. It really looks like low self-esteem play of some group that secretly believes the market doesn't want what they have, so they desperately milk their few remaining customers to make next months payroll. No, I think Hejlsberg knew perfectly well that he shouldn't attempt to do "GUI for C++". Delphi uses a strongly typed high-level programming language, intended to be easy to use and originally based on the earlier Object Pascal language. What they're charging for it is the problem though. Actually the UI alternative of the time was Visual Basic, after which it was modeled (and easily surpassed). I know that some of the applications I wrote in the 90's are still in use … "With very few exceptions, technologies don’t die. I first touched Delphi as a teenager (I was 14 or 15 at the time), and it was Delphi 6. It was more like, "if we're going to develop in .NET then we're going to develop in C#." They are the standards that have not been surpassed yet. As others have said, hope Embarcadero comes out with a low-end free or low cost version of Delphi. "… The university I attended offered a MS MFC certification trail ('97), I politely declined after using Borland C++ Buider during my internship. "array of byte" surely? I know that some of the applications I wrote in the 90's are still in use at government agencies. At least for boring internal enterprise apps within corporations, the new languages/platforms and especially modern program design paradigms with their multiple tiers & supporting libraries, multiple levels of indirection resulting in 30 level deep call stacks, etc results in productivity perhaps 1/4 of what you could achieve with a product like Delphi. I completely reimplemented a 2 man year project in about 24 hours with it using little more than the help docs. It delivers executables that need no dependencies. I would suggest some of the main reasons for this are: - as a developer, choosing Delphi is virtually career (skillset) suicide, - it lacks much of the more modern "cool" language features developers so love to play with, - (as a result) choosing Delphi as a platform is risky due to the small and shrinking developer base, What type of application is that, in your opinion? 4. It would probably be C++. 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2 years ago. I'd just add that it's probably more like tens of thousands of "new apps of these kind" that are written every year ... > What type of application is that, in your opinion? The most recent one was published in November 2020. What is wrong with Qt? It's free to sign up and bid on jobs. Are enterprises using C++? But the rest of the code (widget event handling, business logic, etc.) The thing is that the supplied VCL is what is so amazing. A pity that the free Turbo Delphi Explorer version was discontinued. : Borland -> Inprise -> CodeGear -> Embarcadero. Nimrod is great. I would charge that lack of diversity is not a sign of a healthy software development community. As a PHP developer I wonder why I never tried that "Delphi for PHP". ;). There are dedicated reference-counted string types, and also null-terminated strings. Delphi's compilers generate native code for Microsoft Windows, macOS, iOS, Android and Linux (x64).[4][5][6]. For example, C++Builder 6 and later can combine source code from Delphi and C++ in one project, while packages compiled with C++Builder can be used from within Delphi. I think I reported about two dozen compiler or C/C++ library bugs. And why should it? In my opinion Delphi is better than .Net as it's a native language but the RAD software is expensive and I like Visual Studio better. I'm reminded of this rather amusing comment on a forum: "My colleague told me to abandon Delphi, it's obsolete, Silverlight is the future. The end result was, and is, terrible, and the sheer awkwardness of C++Builder was not really a matter of design or implementation, but due to the nature of C++ itself. http://screamingduck.com/Article.php?ArticleID=43&Show=ABCE. Its power comes from the tight GUI design/language integration, the brilliance of which is still unmatched by tools like Interface Builer; but the language — even with features like generics — hasn't been able to keep up. > It's reality when compared against what it is designed to replace. The data aware components were a life saver, and to this day programming in a wide range of languages I am constantly reminded how painful doing things that were simple 20 years ago is. Message handlers are implemented by tagging a method of a class with the integer constant of the message to handle. > new languages/platforms and especially modern program design paradigms with their multiple tiers & supporting libraries, multiple levels of indirection resulting in 30 level deep call stacks, etc results in productivity perhaps 1/4 of what you could achieve with a product like Delphi. Yes, his leaving was bad for Delphi, though good for him financially. Given how Germany is following USA footsteps of outsourcing and offshoring everything in Fortune 1000, maybe there are some opportunities. I was in deep at that point. This is why kids these days jump into web development, they aren't aware how good tooling we already had back then. We haven't upgraded our licenses since the versions since XE3 didn't bring anything for us, but if we want to see Delphi survive then perhaps we should be chucking some money Embarcadero's way! I loved those old terminal/DOS apps. still had to written in a text editor by the developer. Luckly Go, Rust, D and now .NET Native might make younger generations aware of it. Borland tools were always great, but this was the era of mighty MS. C++ Builder made C++ on Windows so much more accessible than MS Visual Studio 4 + MFC at the time. What I learned during that year STILL comes back from time to time in my current development projects. I spent the first years of my non-school life developing things in Delphi, including CGI binaries in the end. Clang takes at least a minute or two even at -j40... Oberon-F on classic Mac OS was really productive, and I imagine its descendant, BlackBox Component Pascal on Windows is so as well: one of the great features was the ability to extend the IDE while running it: you could compile an extension and test it in seconds. The grandparent is a consultant, how many of this niche is hiring consultants? Delphi's own documentation, once you're past the marketing naming on the box, makes it clear that the language is object pascal. Delphi is a mature product, having been around for more than 20 years, yet it is still being actively developed with … Now suddenly they are unicode strings are far less reliable for unicode. Qt is like VCL and it can be used within VS or without it. [32], RAD Studio is both the formal name for the IDE and a product suite that contains both Delphi and C++Builder. I sometimes wonder what Delphi would look like today, had Anders not joined the MS fold. I think part of the question being asked here is "how do these help application development" ? Assuming C++ and UI development of course. And guess what, O n-squared complexity is still a killer when n gets large. Although Delphi still has an active user base, not many new Delphi programmers are popping up, which raises the question of eventual extinction. 3. But it is a joy to use, cross-platform and at least on the desktop it is free to use if you don't mind LGPL and shipping DLLs/so with your app. E.g. I wish Microsoft would make their C++ environment work like that. They are developing from different directions, Rust being more idealistic and Haxe being more pragmatic, but I think they'll grow aspects of the other over time. Good times :). I had already tried different languages by that time. If you want correct UTF-8 behaviour in string functions then instead of using libc or string_ functions, you must pass the character set as an additional parameter to specialised mb_ string functions instead. E.g. I've worked on some projects of that type earlier. Last time people were bandying about Go compilation speeds on HN, and actually posted. Now I know. Delphi 3 introduced me to programming in my teen years. Yet, with Visual Basic, there was always this bloated feeling.. Apparently, the guy who did Delphi, got hired at Microsoft. I never liked C, because I already knew a few Turbo Pascal versions before getting to learn C. So the language was always meh for me, but then Borland blew it up with their schizophrenics moves and allowed C and C++ usage to grow in the PC world. I feel like Delphi has made a recent exciting comeback to relevance. I just took another look and it compiles applications for Windows, OS X, Android, and iOS. I only wrote it as a hobby as a teenager but compared to trying to write Visual Basic or C or Java on Windows it was a real dream. Why? Download RAD Studio Feature Matrix . I was a Turbo Pascal user since version 3.0 all the way up to the first versions of Delphi. I don't know, but it is an interesting question. Upgrading the codebase was a sizeable effort for sure, but in my view it was less than it would have been had it been developed on another platform. The native binaries nature of Delphi has meant there is no such equivalent (that I'm aware of), although I'm considering leveraging Nuget's packaging format and tools for BPLs. Sure, with VC6, you could do More Stuff, and theoretically, it would be Better Stuff. Interface implementations can be delegated to fields or properties of classes. Finally, FreePascal and GNU Pascal are ongoing open source projects, providing versions of Pascal freely available to the public. Actually, Delphi/ObjectPascal's compilation speed comes mainly from being a one-pass compiler. 1. Delphi was one of the greatest development environment ever created when you just "needed to get shit done". Lazarus as being FPC + libraries is great, but the IDE is still really bad in my opinion. ... Nope. The difference between Delphi and C++ back then felt a lot like Rails versus, say, J2EE. Which C++ compiler compiles itself in under 30 seconds on a typical desktop? It isn't sexy but do the job very well for most corporate applications. I can't say how much I loved the language and the IDE. I think Embarcadero is seriously hurting themselves with their bunker mentality. talk about python and unicode management... Binary data in strings? (Change a function -> update it in the live running environment -> test ...). Technologies are forever." It was incredibly easy to develop stuff. :D. Delphi takes it to a ridiculous level though. Can you describe what things Xcode lacks that you miss from Delphi? There aren't very many consulting jobs for it. I could manage with their help pages and examples quite well. Not worth it. joj vidjao sam ti ovaj nick na krstarici jbt :). For game projects I prefer Haxe. User account menu. I think Delphi got right the "Visual Programming" paradigm. I mostly do web development, but every once in a while I go back in to build a feature on the Delphi side of the fence. Right now, most of site has reopened, only the stadium is closed to public. Archived. This is the subreddit for ~~Borland~~ ~~Codegear~~ Embarcadero Delphi and related … Press J to jump to the feed. At the time of release its features were quite innovative, and very accessible to the Turbo Pascal programmers (like me!) Thats exactly my plan, to learn some basics then further improve skills on minor contracting jobs I get and I feel comfortable to do them in new language. I loved Delphi back in 1997. Would you use it for a web-based app? But who knows what will happen, there have been so many changes of direction ... C++/CX + XAML is maybe the closest it gets nowadays. This is spot-on. I was bemused that this was a new idea to the Delphi world. At this symposium one of the talks was on dependency injection. So I took that .EXE file to another computer and ran it, and it ran. The above link says that Embarcadero has Linux support (via cross-compiling for Linux, on Windows) on their roadmap. My employer has a multi-million line codebase in Delphi which is still under active development. 15.7k 7 7 gold badges 48 48 silver badges 76 76 bronze badges. But now I work in Objective C. Xcode is much better IDE (Delphi is 32 bit, and crashes often with big projects). I've used various Delphi versions, a little, for personal projects [1], off on on, and liked it. Tables will automatically start showing it, forms will magically contain the new field. Perhaps is that multi-user RDBMS with SQL and/or the Web broke the model. Since I rediscovered dynamic languages in the early 2000s and haven't (except for some experiments in C) looked back. In ref to the blog post (or whatever it is) I thought Delphi was no more. In the beginning the site was sacred to Mother Earth and was guarded by the terrible serpent Python, who was later killed by Apollo. Maybe it's faster now? Lead to some bad habits though - e.g. Also it has ridiculous price. asked Jun 8 '12 at 22:53. The first time I used VB/C++ I thought the IDE had crashed because it took so long to build... More like a 17 year old too lazy to learn proper debugging, but yes - it works and I'm not surprised its got an official name. History. Borland tried it. Underneath it only needs x86 and win32 (unless you're building for mac, android or iOS, which it also supports). This is due to so many banks/utilities/etc betting the farm on older Java. Does anyone use it? It just wasn't a good idea. Sure, the IDE misses a few features that competing IDE's have, but on the plus side it compiles ridiculously fast (a full build of 2 million lines takes less than a minute on a single core). back in the day. Pass the source code and rights over to use and we'll work out an arrangement to continue development whilst maintaining a royalty stream for you". And then I found Delphi 6. For all the bad things I've said about it ... it is nice. The Microsoft equivalent to VCL is MFC, but I don't think that's a very current skill to have. Not the OP, but I wanted to chime in that I think Delphi's forte is, was and will always be desktop-based GUI apps. With class helpers new functionality can be introduced to core RTL and VCL classes without changing the original source code of the RTL or VCL. The closest thing I've found since then that allows me to do something similar minus the IDE is BlitzMax, but the IDE was what made the process so silky smooth in Delphi, and I miss it. I just make the layout, then program what each button does, etc.. And it was simple. Objects are actually references to the objects (as in Java), which Delphi implicitly de-references, so there is usually no need to manually allocate memory for pointers to objects or use similar techniques that some other languages need. For future large scale projects. Things like a ";" at the end of every statment actually makes code more readable to me. Maybe it deserves to die, or not, but I get a kick out of the fact that it is still around and sparking discussion. It needed not a lot of knowledge to make buttons and forms, etc. "Since the code is native, performance is never a problem even with wildly inefficient code.". In the suit Borland alleged that Microsoft had hired 34 Borland employees over the past 30 months in order to steal Borland trade secrets.". share | improve this question | follow | edited Aug 17 '17 at 15:56. It is primarily used to build applications for Windows systems but can be used to build applications for a variety of operating systems. The Delphi Technique is a method used to estimate the likelihood and outcome of future events. I completely identify with this poster. It's pretty telling when a vendor isn't even able to get many of it's own supporters (many of which are these "Delphi will never die" types) to buy new version of their software in over a decade. who were a big part of Borland's customer base for tools. Wirth knows how to design efficient languages and systems, and his students (most of the founders of Oberon microsystems, the developers of BlackBox, were such) carry on the tradition. It may be nostalgia, but I don't htink it's only nostalgia. Easy enough for a kid to do stuff with it. They worry that Delphi is obsolete, only used on legacy systems. I use CB2007. At runtime, mind you, you don't even need a recompile in most cases. Admittedly, I haven't touched it since the early 2000s, but I can't imagine that it could compete as a language/platform for anything else these days. Delphi Technique Definition: The Delphi Technique refers to the systematic forecasting method used to gather opinions of the panel of experts on the problem being encountered, through the questionnaires, often sent through mail. Lack of built-in multicast delegates for event handlers. With one recompile, the same app runs on android, ios. Third-party libraries typically need updates from the vendor but, if source code is supplied, recompilation with the newer version may be sufficient. I was amazed the VCL managed to insulate the user from most of it. I keep hoping some startup sees the huge arbitrage opportunity that is sitting there. But we did love the fast develop/compile/run cycle that Delphi provided, Delphi's OO was great at the time, and the apps worked. Re #1, Castalia is very slow fews years ago I tried, it's the ModelMaker Code Explorer that adds a lot of productivity to the IDE, including refactoring, and so on. I recall buying the Delphi IDE way back in the day; possibly when I was still at university, definitely when Borland was still around! I'd say Java 1.2 is the new COBOL. Care to elaborate? >I found it a fast and easy tool for making and tweaking the UI. If i were his wife, and he rejected the offer, I would be. I prefer Delphi 6. Out of nostalgia I checked out Lazarus and I'm glad it has a somewhat thriving community. And of course the object is depreciated.. There's so much ceremony around anonymous methods that it hardly seems worth it some times. The worst thing, though, was registering to get a trial from Embarcadero who then had an elaborate follow-up process including phone calls from them. [1] http://kk.org/thetechnium/2006/02/immortal-techno/. Delphi vs. prediction markets. It may not be trendy but it's a really quality environment for its use case. file delphi delphi-2009 file-in-use. What are his chances of having steady (consulting) work using Qt? Database connectivity is extensively supported through VCL database-aware and database access components. It didn't need any other files. In my eyes it was a huge winner for Delphi over Visual Studio products, although I never really liked the pascal syntax... Delphi/Pascal and Wolfram mathematica are the two things I point people to when we talk about documentation. 2. mod. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCSD_Pascal. I have developed Delphi applications for almost 10 years, and I still use it (only to support some bugs in old applications, but I never use Delphi in new projects). The quality of the IDE is incredibly dire compared to Visual Studio+Resharper or Jetbrains IntelliJ. I really really liked Borland products. It's also designed to compile fast and to native code. If you want to compile static Linux binaries, Musl libc is your best bet. 3. Trevor Trevor. I agree with most of your sentiments, but no new books and no new frameworks isn't completely true. Borland Enterprise Studio, a precursor to RAD Studio, is a software development suite that includes support for multiple languages. I will certainly take a look at Qt, and other alternatives, but isn't Visual Studio the ultimate tool of all tools? Well, they make them worse. And so, much like the mainframes running in the data centers of banks/insurance/etc companies, delphi is probably still driving a fair number of business logic applications. I mean, you had to make an installer for your programs with files like VBRUNXXX.DLL and error messages yelling at you, and depending 16bits or 32bits, VB4 or VB6, so ... it's even fuzzy in my head. I pick up Lazarus ever so often because I loved Delphi (it was my competitive edge; everyone was doing VC++ and I ate their lunches. One path is to identify a future customer pain point that will occur if they continue to use Delphi. The linking is much less complicated, too. The current language is based on Object Pascal, which is quite different from being Object Pascal, which was quite different back in the Turbo Pascal and early Delphi days. It really looks like low self-esteem play of some group that secretly believes the market doesn't want what they have, so they desperately milk their few remaining customers to make next months payroll. No, I think Hejlsberg knew perfectly well that he shouldn't attempt to do "GUI for C++". Delphi uses a strongly typed high-level programming language, intended to be easy to use and originally based on the earlier Object Pascal language. What they're charging for it is the problem though. Actually the UI alternative of the time was Visual Basic, after which it was modeled (and easily surpassed). I know that some of the applications I wrote in the 90's are still in use … "With very few exceptions, technologies don’t die. I first touched Delphi as a teenager (I was 14 or 15 at the time), and it was Delphi 6. It was more like, "if we're going to develop in .NET then we're going to develop in C#." They are the standards that have not been surpassed yet. As others have said, hope Embarcadero comes out with a low-end free or low cost version of Delphi. "… The university I attended offered a MS MFC certification trail ('97), I politely declined after using Borland C++ Buider during my internship. "array of byte" surely? I know that some of the applications I wrote in the 90's are still in use at government agencies. At least for boring internal enterprise apps within corporations, the new languages/platforms and especially modern program design paradigms with their multiple tiers & supporting libraries, multiple levels of indirection resulting in 30 level deep call stacks, etc results in productivity perhaps 1/4 of what you could achieve with a product like Delphi. I completely reimplemented a 2 man year project in about 24 hours with it using little more than the help docs. It delivers executables that need no dependencies. 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